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In Game => Lore => Topic started by: Miri Thorel on April 16, 2018, 02:27:37 pm

Title: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Miri Thorel on April 16, 2018, 02:27:37 pm
Layla asked me to try to find a song she'd heard. After talking to the person who sang it and cross-checking some old songbooks, this is the best version I could come up with. It's a folk song, so who can say if this is exactly the original, but it's as close as we can get, I think.

The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil

The Zenzadil was a loony lass, hey ho, hey ho
With eyes of night and heart of glass, hey ho, hey ho

Upon a night of wrath and woe,
The Zenzadil did up and go,
Out from city and away from dell,
Seeking sanctuary within to dwell.

With the Subtle Man at her side, oh, with the Subtle Man at her side.

“Oh let us live in this tall tree,
From such heights the world to see,”
Said the Subtle Man,
Said the Subtle Man

“From such heights much could be learned,
But ‘tis inward that mine eye is turned,”
Said the Zenzadil,
Said the Zenzadil.

“Oh let us live in this chasm deep,
Where ancient stones their secrets keep,”
Said the Subtle Man,
Said the Subtle Man

“Another claims the secrets of stone,
And in that realm she reigns alone,”
Said the Zenzadil,
Said the Zenzadil.

“Oh let us live ‘pon tortoise shell,
That no enemy find us and all be well,”
Said the Subtle Man,
Said the Subtle Man

“I fear no enemy save time herself,
That she might claim my greatest wealth,”
Said the Zenzadil,
Said the Zenzadil.

“Oh let us live in halls bright as moon,
To unlock secret of craft and rune,”
Said the Subtle Man,
Said the Subtle Man

“Ah, now that sounds just the place,
Let us go now, and leave no trace,”
Said the Zenzadil,
Said the Zenzadil.

The Zenzadil was a loony lass, hey ho, hey ho
With eyes of night and heart of glass, hey ho, hey ho

She forged the future with her hands,
‘Twould bind the fate of seven lands,
And in the hall past Sidereal Gate,
Her greatest work does still await.

The Zenzadil was a loony lass, hey ho, hey ho
With eyes of night and heart of glass, hey ho, hey ho

Her seven children she birthed there,
Each with a different shade of hair,
Orange and red and green and blue,
Gold and black and violet, too.

And time turns on and their (sic - presumably should be "there") she sleeps,
And the world her treasures reap,
Until the day she finally wakes,
When comes another her curse to break.

--Miri
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Misia on April 17, 2018, 06:42:24 am
What a lovely song.

It sounds like it gives clues to where we might find the Zenzadil. Did she put herself to sleep? Or has someone else cursed her? And who is the subtle man?
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Layla on April 17, 2018, 10:40:27 am
So we firmly believe that this song is about Amelia Troyvitch. Finding information about Troyvitch herself is incredibly difficult. When we first started looking into the creator of the Troyvitch panels we were lead to learn of her assistant, the Subtle man, and heard word of this song. We asked Miri to look it up as she is much better with music than we are.

The first lines (is it called a stanza Miri?) describe Troyvitch herself and what information we did get on her matches that flowery description. She was known as brilliant and dedicated to her research and work and presented as quite cold and heartless at times due to her depth of focus.

The next part we would love if someone could look more into. Might this have been the night when the leaders were killed meeting with the nightmare lord? That is just a guess but we do not know. However we are certain that she sought to setup a new workshop somewhere.

The next stanzas (did we use that right?) go over various places of power, at least we believe them to be such, that they examined as options. Reese knows of the tall tree referred to we believe, though we do not know the details. Secrets of stone in a deep chasm with one who rules there seems quite interesting and we do not know what is referred to so that would bear research as well. Tortoise shell seems a but more philosophical and speaks to Troyvitch's fear of aging and death in our opinion.

As the the lines about hall as bright as moon. We are given to understand that moonlight halls has been used in reference to Evensong Keep yes?

The next bit is a bit more difficult to parse. The future forged to bind seven lands most likely refers to the Troyvitch panels, or Septych as I've also heard it called.
Now whether this line "And in the hall past Sidereal Gate, Her greatest work does still await." refers to something else OTHER than the panels and the description of the "seven children" refers to that OR her greatest work is one thing and the seven children refers to the seven panels, we are uncertain.

The last line seems quite important. Specifically: "Until the day she finally wakes, When comes another her curse to break." As we believe she can be found beyond the Sidereal Gate and somehow awoken but we do not know what or where the Sidereal Gate is. We suspect it is in Evensong Keep however, possibly guarded by two golden statues of sisters...

Layla
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Misia on April 17, 2018, 12:59:13 pm
I’m wondering if the halls of moon sidereal gate will be found at the Moon Lake. Since I have only just learned of this place and know nothing more than the name, this is pure conjecture.

I had taken “secrets of stone” to refer to Evensong Keep, which I believe is guarded by the basilisk.
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Mercutio Coil on September 19, 2018, 12:31:32 pm
I am actively researching the Sidereal Hall and the associated Gates. I have learned of Sidereal Cartography, and how it would be used to locate the resting place of Amalia Troyvitch. Just this last gathering the Cartographers were able to locate a tome detailing how this process might work, and so we keep making progress.

I will continue to dig in hopes to find any information to aid us in this task.

However, if anyone knows of, or learns about, 'the day of delving' this is the next clue to finding the Sidereal Halls.

In Service,
Mercutio
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Misia on September 21, 2018, 12:33:23 pm
Mercutio, I'm extremely interested in finding Troyvitch and in freeing the Subtle Man from Sybil's grip. So if you haven't found out any more information about the Day of Delving before I see you again, I'd be happy to Research it in early November.
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Mercutio Coil on September 21, 2018, 01:26:09 pm
Misa, Thank you for the offer. I am considering spending the next few months studying just that, but I am unsure if that might be necessary.

Here is why: (a bunch of notes and a summary at the end)

Farseer Panel 29 -
Mazenzadil moshoza kemeshishela pin makiziba kel zhothu'o'u

The Architect creates a workshop within the cave of many-mirrors.

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From Simon the Shadowhand details -

"Here is the site of the sacrifice of Simon the Shadowhand, who came to the Golden Plains in the time of chaos to learn the wisdom of the Architect.  Here did the Architect restore him, not as a mortal man. Here he swore to shield the Architect for all time, and carry in his blood the key to her workshop."

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Malkese and the Golden Twins
My research up until this point has been tracking down a creation known as 'The Golden Twins'. Malkese, Most Favored of Dethisakitha, had sought to find these two hoping that they would grant a boon. I do not know what he was seeking for this boon, but he was unable to find them and was lost to the Nightmare War.

Conversation about the Twins with a Grey Weaver has lead me to believe that they reside in a chamber at the end of the Hall of Many Mirrors found by Branka after meeting up with Torgin Yorik early upon arriving in Evensong. The statues are believed to be of the gods Sakitha and Dothu. It is said that if their wedding rings are returned to them they would offer a boon that could change the world.

Getting to them is the challenge. One would need to make it through the hallway of mirrors without getting fascinated by the mirrors, and then open the 'Glass-Like' door on the far end. There is a word that must be spoke to open the door. That word is the key. That word is lost.

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Source: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil (the song)

...
“Oh let us live in halls bright as moon,
To unlock secret of craft and rune,”
Said the Subtle Man,
Said the Subtle Man

“Ah, now that sounds just the place,
Let us go now, and leave no trace,”
Said the Zenzadil,
Said the Zenzadil.

The Zenzadil was a loony lass, hey ho, hey ho
With eyes of night and heart of glass, hey ho, hey ho

She forged the future with her hands,
‘Twould bind the fate of seven lands,
And in the hall past Sidereal Gate,
Her greatest work does still await.

The Zenzadil was a loony lass, hey ho, hey ho
With eyes of night and heart of glass, hey ho, hey ho

Her seven children she birthed there,
Each with a different shade of hair,
Orange and red and green and blue,
Gold and black and violet, too.

And time turns on and their (sic - presumably should be "there") she sleeps,
And the world her treasures reap,
Until the day she finally wakes,
When comes another her curse to break.

I believe the 'Greatest Work' could be the Golden Twins, and that the Sidereal Gate could very much be that glass-like door at the end of the Hall of Mirrors.

This is speculation but a lot of things are coming together.

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The Sidereal Gate and the Sidereal Halls
I spent the time over the summer months learning about the Sidereal Halls and how to locate them. I learned of a form of cartography known as 'Sidereal Cartography' -- using constellation positioning to create maps for Place Pathfolding instead of geographical markers.  I learned that the constellations of the Great Owl and the Unicorn are two of the three constellations needed to finding the Sidereal Gate, and the other is some how associated to the first star in the sky on the Day of Delving.

Opening the Gate once we get there will be challenging. The Subtle Man can open the gate but it will kill him. And then there is something about saying the mistresses name backwards while dancing some dance.

We found tomes over the last gathering which detailed the process of Sidereal Cartography and I believe some of the Champions may have begun the process of learning.

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Summary

Amalia Troyvitch is either sleeping or cursed in her workshop in the Sidereal Halls. Her greatest work also waits there.  Her workshop is in the Cave of Many Mirrors. There is a door at the end of that hallway of mirrors which can be opened with a word. The Subtle Man can open the door but it will kill him.  If we believe that this door is the Sidereal Gate, which the song suggests is at the end of a hall as bright as moonlight (mirrors?), beyond Sidereal Gate her greatest work still waits, the Golden Twins are her greatest work.

Also, we know where this cave is and therefore, most likely do not need the use of Sidereal Cartography to find the Halls, short of confirming that we are on the right track.  I was going to spend the next few weeks looking to learn what I could about the Day of Delving and the constellations involved, but based on the revelation with the translation of the 29th plaque I am considering instead focusing on the dagger and freeing the Subtle Man from Sybil's control.

Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Boom on September 21, 2018, 02:09:22 pm
Oh! Excuse me, connection made! Day of Delving! I was speaking with someone during the day on Saturday about Troyvitch, by which I mean I listened while they excitedly shared their thoughs, as I know nothing of Troyvitch. Anyway, she mentioned the Day of Delving being important, it being a holy day of a God of hidden sacred places. Chel took notes.

Then late, late Saturday night I spoke with one of the penitent after we dealt with the Dream Police. She mentioned being a follower of a God of hidden sacred places. I was too busy discussing the use of kidnapping as a remedy for grief to realize I should ask her more! Does anyone else know her?

Tanzig
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Mercutio Coil on September 21, 2018, 02:28:35 pm
Thanks Tanzig! At least that is some direction! Now to try to continue to put pieces together. I know of the Goddess, but cannot recall its name. It was like PETA'EL or PE'A'EL. It's a start!

Also, if you want to talk Amalia Troyvitch don't hesitate to find me around the camp.
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Misia on September 21, 2018, 08:28:57 pm
Mercutio, You've pulled together a lot of information! It still sounds like you'll need to know about the Day of Delving, since it's the only time the Sidereal Gate can be opened?
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Marcel de Giverny on September 22, 2018, 09:06:52 pm
It was like PETA'EL or PE'A'EL. It's a start!

Urr...  if I'm remembering correctly, which I may not be:

PE'A'EL would be pronounced "pevavel", which makes me think of Peverel.  I can never remember who she is, but she's one of the missing people that's important.
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Chel Verdansk on September 22, 2018, 10:44:28 pm
Definitely "Peta'el"
Title: Re: The Subtle Man and the Zenzadil
Post by: Chel Verdansk on September 26, 2018, 09:17:23 pm
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Summary

Amalia Troyvitch is either sleeping or cursed in her workshop in the Sidereal Halls. Her greatest work also waits there.  Her workshop is in the Cave of Many Mirrors. There is a door at the end of that hallway of mirrors which can be opened with a word. The Subtle Man can open the door but it will kill him.  If we believe that this door is the Sidereal Gate, which the song suggests is at the end of a hall as bright as moonlight (mirrors?), beyond Sidereal Gate her greatest work still waits, the Golden Twins are her greatest work.

Also, we know where this cave is and therefore, most likely do not need the use of Sidereal Cartography to find the Halls, short of confirming that we are on the right track.  I was going to spend the next few weeks looking to learn what I could about the Day of Delving and the constellations involved, but based on the revelation with the translation of the 29th plaque I am considering instead focusing on the dagger and freeing the Subtle Man from Sybil's control.

Mercutio,

I would like to mention somet'ing about De Hall of Many Mirrors.  Alt'ough I am sure you are already well aware, I feel d'is needs to said aloud: be careful of it.

We did indeed visit a cave whose walls were covered in mirrors when we delivered food to Torgan Yorik last year.  While d'ere we discovered several t'ings.  1) De mirror-like walls of de inner cave were ... enchanting, shall we say, and it was hard to pull away once you began looking at d'em.  2) Torgan had originally begun to write us a note to warn us away from de inner caves, but d'en somet'ing made 'im change 'is mind, and 'e worked to get us to go in.  3) Torgan was slowly being turned to stone.  4) De Weave was very close to reality in d'at place.

If d'is is de place you are calling "De Cave of Many Mirrors," d'ere are dangers d'ere, and de least of d'em is d'at we do not understand de dangers.  D'ere were two effects on poor Torgan: 'e was enchanted in some way to convince people to look at de enchanting mirrors; and 'e was being turned to stone.  Were d'ese related in some way?  Or 'ad e been afflicted by two different sources? We do not know.

Of course, de fact d'at 'e was being turned to stone brings anod'er unpleasant question: does 'is afflction 'ave anyt'ing to do wit' de Basilisk?  And more importantly, does de CAVE 'ave anyt'ing to do wit' de Basilisk?  She 'as warned us to avoid 'er sacred spots.  Is d'is one of d'em?

I 'ope you are considering d'ese questions as you make your plans to visit Troyvich.  Not to discourage you!  But so d'at you don't fail because you stumbled across somet'ing d'at you merely 'adn't considered.